Patrice Evra - Wronged Man or Crafty So So

No - it was the unexplained (or unacceptably explained) 'pinching' of Evra's skin that pretty much decided it.

Liverpool fan by any chance?

You've completely missed the point. Several times Dave.

1) Can you stop using the ad hominem argument about me being a Liverpool supporter. It is totally irrelevant to the discussion. I am not however in any way a Liverpool supporter.

2) What exactly is racially aggravated Language? And the point is it was spoken in Spanish, so clearly the FA are now an authority on Spanish language. Given their ineptitude on matters closer to home, I find this laughable.

3) The whole UK Law argument is a complete red herring. Obviously the British Law applies here. What exactly is your point?

4) You have concluded then that Suarez is a liar. On what basis?

No, I've not missed the point.

1. I've asked once. And of course it's relevant - club loyalties (for or against either of the players' teams) will inevitably play a role in how you first approach the situation at the very least.

2. It's obviously using racist terms in language. That may be in the heat of the moment though and doesn't necessarily reveal that they 'are' racist. I believe similar terms are used by the Police (including in the John Terry case). Do you think the FA may have consulted some Spanish language experts? Again, read the report.

3. The point is that it's clearly a red herring to defend using what is generally accepted to be unacceptable language in this country by saying it is ok to use in Uruguay. What relevance does its use in Uruguay have? If you live in a foreign country it's your duty to observe the laws of that land. Incidentally, it's apparently not always acceptable in Uruguay - it depends on the context. And the context at the time of the incident doesn't exactly imply friendly banter.

4. On the basis of all I've read on the incident, predominantly the FA report.

No comment to make on Suarez pinching Evra's skin?

1) You've insinuated several times that I am a Liverpool supporter, as if this is clouding my judgement. I am not a Liverpool supporter, but by the same token you are a Man U supporter. Am I to assume you are clouded in your judgement? No. Its irrelevant, so forget it.

2) "It's obviously using racist terms in language"

So saying someone is black is racist? 

"Lennox Lewis is black" Am I a racist now?

3) "The point is that it's clearly a red herring to defend using what is generally accepted to be unacceptable language in this country by saying it is ok to use in Uruguay"

This statement is meaningless. The language spoken was Spanish not English.

4) lol...oh well that was enlightening

Suarez pinching Evra's skin? What about it?

We're going around in circles at this point. I'm sure you understand exactly what I'm saying but are just unwilling to consider the points made because it goes against your argument. The last comment sums it up really - if you've read the report, you've not understood it.

Unless you've got anything more worthwhile to add, I'm out. 

Look Dave, these are terribly serious allegations.

And for the FA to hide behind cutesy terms like "racially aggravated language" is just more sham.

Suarez has been branded a racist by SAF and the Media, you know it and I know it. 

The man is a target now...

on what basis?

On the basis of a bunch of incompetent crooked white suits in Soho Square.

Very dangerous territory, and now we have the politicians jumping on the bandwagon....what next, a G8 summit to discuss Suarez's 

spat with Evra?

I'm sorry , Evra has a long history of sh*t-stirring...as Gareth said, if it was anyone else they'd have more credence.

I dread to think what will happen if something bad happens to Suarez. I fear for the guy.

Two people, no conclusive evidence, and yet the FA , closely followed by the slavering Alex Ferguson and the grotesque Media Bandwagon

have effectively branded Suarez a racist

To make matters worse, Ferguson used grossly inflammatory language, (incredibly inopportune given events in Egypt) saying Suarez could have sparked a riot.

Football is terminally sick in my opinion.

I dread to think what will happen next.

If I remember rightly. Evra started the trouble with Suarez by saying in Spanish "Your sister is a vagina".

Evra has always been a first class stirrer and we know his boss is also one.

So far, I have not heard an apology from Evra for his stupid behaviour at the end of the match which was more likely to cause a riot then Suarez's so called refusal to shake his hands. 

Evra is French.  We should all hate him.

Seriously though, this was such a load of nothing - created by the media - it really put me off football.  It's not a big deal, and nothing in football is.  It's things like this that make normal fans realise that somewhere down the line this enjoyable game got corrupted into something hideous to make a few people obscenely rich and the average fan much poorer.

As I say often on these Football posts that I am a Rugby Man, but I did watch the post match interviews and irrespective of the rights & wrongs which I find to be Childish I thought Ferguson conducted himself very well he was honest & forthright, I thought Dalgleish came accross as churlish & petty. (Sorry my machine will not let me start a new paragrap!! therefore carrrying on), Ugo Monye (a Rugy player commented in the Sunday Times that he felt they should have shaken hands and that it would not have happened in Rugby.

The fact is.....

Suarez said something that is completely unnacceptable in this country. He even admitted it. I just dont understand how anybody could defend that or the subsequent actions yesterday. To say it is some sort of witch hunt/conspiracy beggers belief.

Every body involved in Liverpool club have now apologised (Ian Ayre, Kenny Dalglish & Luis Suarez) because they have realised the gravity of the situation.

And whether Luis Suarez felt what he said was not "racist" or not is not the point.

You would not be able to say it. I would not able to say it. And If "we" had said something of a racist nature in the "work place" to a work collegue then that would have got "us" the sack. Thats it..... It does not matter if is acceptable in another country or not..... The bottom line is it is unnacceptable in this country. End of.

And it doesnt matter what team I support, racism is racism!!! And Disrespect is disrespect!!!

What did he say that was so unacceptable?

He brought racism into sport, totally unaceptable.

In what way did he bring racism into sport Ian...go on surprise yourself by

answering the question directly

Its not surprising to me at all.

The only thing that surprises me( and i would suspect all reading this) is that you cannot see that bringing someones colour into an row on a football pitch is not unaceptable.

I find it unaceptable that you arte defending that.

Is that direct enough for you.

Marcus West,

I do not want to repeat the actual word because even I think its offensive.

If you think it is acceptable to bring a persons "race" into an argument or to judge others on their "race" then I think that says a lot about your Prejudice and attitude towards others.....

But not only is it unacceptable its against the law.