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What did he say that was so unacceptable?

Marcus West,

I do not want to repeat the actual word because even I think its offensive.

If you think it is acceptable to bring a persons "race" into an argument or to judge others on their "race" then I think that says a lot about your Prejudice and attitude towards others.....

But not only is it unacceptable its against the law.

 

Can you explain why you have used my whole name. It is a bit strange I find

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:15 Quote

This was the other question Ian:

 

"And I suppose the next question is then, should we brand Evra a racist for his sing-song about

the "n---er mother----ers"

Interesting debate you've opened up..."

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:18 Quote
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What did he say that was so unacceptable?

Marcus West,

I do not want to repeat the actual word because even I think its offensive.

If you think it is acceptable to bring a persons "race" into an argument or to judge others on their "race" then I think that says a lot about your Prejudice and attitude towards others.....

But not only is it unacceptable its against the law.

 

Can you explain why you have used my whole name. It is a bit strange I find

Ive answered this above.....but in case you missed it:-

Why are you peturbed? That is your name, thats why I used it. I just wanted to clarify that I was directing my point at you and not some body else name Marcus. It was not intended to upset or offend you. And if I have upset or offended you by using your name them I am very very sorry.

For example you could have replied to on of my comments with

Darren Derbyshire,

I .......... ect

Anyway,

I just think its wrong to bring some ones "race" into an argument and I feel whether it was said in spanish, german, sign language, morse code or some sort of alien language really doesnt matter. it is still offensive because the recipient felt offended by the term. But thats just my opinion.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:18 Quote
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It was taken to court because PE didnt complain to the police, the FA dealt with it (but i guess you will dispute 'dealt'with)

it might not be offensive in Spanish but it was on an English football pitch on English TV.

I dont think there is a right time to bring colour into an argument.....EVER, Now its getting interesting and you have posted the question, I would love to hear when you thinks it's ok to do that?

VERY interesting debate you have opened up for yourself here marcus.

 

Curious what the last sentance is meant to imply Ian

 

Not imlying anything Mr west, I am looking forward to you explaining why you think there may be a good time to bring colour into a row on a football field.

Bertie can I share your popcorn?

Open Mouthed Smile

 

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:19 Quote

Can I have some popcorn too please Tongue Out

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:20 Quote

 

Taken from report.

388. Our findings of fact which are directly relevant to the Charge are as follows: (1) In response to Mr Evra's question "Concha de tu hermana, porque me diste in golpe" ("f**king hell, why did you kick me"), Mr Suarez said "Porque tu eres negro" ("Because you are black"). (2) In response to Mr Evra's comment "Habla otra vez asi, te voy a dar una porrada" ("say it to me again, I'm going to punch you"), Mr Suarez said "No hablo con los negros" ("I don't speak to blacks"). (3) In response to Mr Evra's comment "Ahora te voy a dar realmente una porrada" ("okay, now I think I'm going to punch you"), Mr Suarez said "Dale, negro, negro, negro" ("okay, blackie, blackie, blackie). 98 (4) When the referee blew his whistle to stop the corner being taken, Mr Suarez used the word "negro" to Mr Evra. (5) After the referee had spoken to the players for a second time, and Mr Evra had said that he did not want Mr Suarez to touch him, Mr Suarez said "Por que, negro?".

Yep - sounds like friendly banter to me.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:20 Quote
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This was the other question Ian:

 

"And I suppose the next question is then, should we brand Evra a racist for his sing-song about

the "n---er mother----ers"

Interesting debate you've opened up..."

I didnt post that, you did.

 

 

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:20 Quote

well, the simple answer Bertie is that if it is against the Law to bring a person's race into an argument, then there is no situation where it is permissable.

Obviously in reality there will be lots of situations where race colour nationality etc come into the discussion. 

That's what generally happens in a multicultural society. 

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:22 Quote

Ah ok, I get it. My questions don't count, but yours do...

 

I think we know where you're coming from Ian

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:27 Quote

Yes - that is Evra's version of events David....

 

but don't let a bit of balanced reporting get in the way of a good scoop

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:28 Quote

I wasn;t aware you had asked me a question Marcus West. otherwise I would have answered it then but here goes to clarify; weshould brand evra a racist for his song.

Now you 'get it' and you can see where im coming from could you answer my earlier question please? we are all waiting. 

I have nearly run out of popcorn and I dont want to miss the response while im topping up.

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:31 Quote
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Yes - that is Evra's version of events David....

 

but don't let a bit of balanced reporting get in the way of a good scoop

No, it's what the FA panel have concluded took place after comparing the evidence from all parties.

Ignore the blatantly obvious if you wish and claim a conspiracy.

You never did say where your club loyalties lie...

 

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:40 Quote

And he still hasn't answered his own question. Perhaps that can of worms is too big to get the lid back on Open Mouthed Smile

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:48 Quote

Getting testy are we Ian...now I think you'll find the answer sitting above, if you read my posts.

 

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Posted: 13th Feb 2012 - 14:52 Quote

Not testy at Mr West far from it, you asked a question, I gave you an answer, I asked a question, you haven't.

Can you answer the question please. you should be able to remember it as you asked it, in case you cant it was the one about when is it ok to bring colour into an row on a football field.

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