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Posted: 28th Jun 2012 - 16:02 Quote

So what I can make out, and what I have been told.

Are Groups are lead by a team and that 4N would Like the team to have a minumium of 2 new visitors per meet. (members can also bring visitors)

There is another post on here (look back the last few days group name E something) about a group closing  and it was a heated debate but did highlight all the issues Andy Raised.

But if groups stay at low numbers it is not value for money for members and if new vistors do not come in then 4N will just fade away.

On a personal note I deal mainly in domistic customers, so it is hard for me to find vistors, I was told this was not a problem as the MA does that.

I have today started to see if I can get visitors along to the Bedford Morning Meet.

Stefan Thomas, has phoned me going back to the topic, and says it is more to do with visitors, than more groups that leads to numbers dropping.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2012 - 21:49 Quote

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I think you may be doing yourself a disservice ~ everyone in business also has a home and I suspect that a significant majority will have a PC/laptop for home as well as business use; so you might want to think about the businesses that you come into contact with on a wider level and what they might gain out of networking for their own business rather than just about what you can get out of networking.  That person who you introduce to the networking group will remember you and when they or someone they know are looking for help with their home PC...

Also, please remember that if you feel nervous or uncomfortable about inviting a visitor along - you can pass their details onto the MA who will do the actual inviting for you...

Have a great weekend and I will see you at Bedford next week...

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Posted: 28th Jun 2012 - 23:43 Quote

Thank's for your comments Helen,

I have sent an e-mail today to Stuart Warwick, this afternoon asking about getting the MA for Bedford to help me invite 2 people I know to come along to the Bedford morning.  They are people I have known for years and are my customers too.

I think they not being networking people may like to Jion.

I would not be doing this for myself, but for them and the Group.

I will aso be going Twickenham to take my brother to 4N there.

Derek Story from the MK Group who I have intoduced to my brother in Twickenham will start to work with each other soon.

I am trying to contribute in my own way.

I still think that this post Fielded a good question see title.

Off to MK in the morning.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2012 - 10:59 Quote

Martin, personally speaking if I was in your position I'd do the inviting myself as they're people you've known for years.  I appreciate we're all different so it may be that you're not comfortable doing this but if I was being invited by someone I've used for years then I'd feel more comfortable than the MA giving a call out of the blue especially if they go and find you there.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2012 - 11:43 Quote

David, no your right I have already primed them and I have spoken to the MA today.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2012 - 21:26 Quote
There are now 10 groups in my area of Essex and the region couldn't be stronger.

Initially, the numbers at the immediate groups close by will drop, however they will pick back up due to fresh members joining the new groups and also it gives the team in the older groups a kick up the backside to market their group

It's win win.

 

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2012 - 18:39 Quote
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Not big headed just true...


No Martin, no visitors last time, but as I have already said we as the team must address that, and will.


... I would add that I am actively encouraging all three teams in the area to work together to grow all of the groups -  so whilst they might primarily focus on getting visitors into their own groups, they are aware of what's going on in the other 2 groups and will push people along to those groups if the time of that meeting suits them better...



That said (and at the risk of getting sacked/shot or bothWink!); whilst I agree that the team(s) do need to address the lack of visitors in the meetings and it is something we are working on, there is a 'shared responsibility' between the team and the wider membership to get visitors in the room...  We all benefit from growing the groups and at every meeting, members are encouraged to either invite visitors along or, if they do not feel comfortable doing it themselves, to pass the details onto the team who will invite them along on your behalf. 



So, from time to time, members need to ask themselves- 'am I doing enough to ensure that I and my business are benefitting from being at this meeting...' 



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Posted: 2nd Jul 2012 - 18:46 Quote
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Not big headed just true...




Sorry, I'll try again. Love this post as it is something I have been saying for the last 3 years. I have stood in front of groups and asked questions, do we all agree new visitors mean more biz opportunities, do we agree then we need more visitors, do we agree that if we all bring one person that will mean more biz? Of course all answers were affirmative, but did the group members bring visitors - sadly not.

Also, not attending a group because there may be low members is a bit self-fulfilling. If everyone thinks that way it will end up with none and close. This happened with one of our groups and now I'm constantly asked why there isn't a group there.

Also at the risk of getting shot down in flames, so many people expect business to happen to them at meetings, whereas, all members need to be proactive and take some responsibility for the network to expand.
No Martin, no visitors last time, but as I have already said we as the team must address that, and will.


... I would add that I am actively encouraging all three teams in the area to work together to grow all of the groups -  so whilst they might primarily focus on getting visitors into their own groups, they are aware of what's going on in the other 2 groups and will push people along to those groups if the time of that meeting suits them better...



That said (and at the risk of getting sacked/shot or bothWink!); whilst I agree that the team(s) do need to address the lack of visitors in the meetings and it is something we are working on, there is a 'shared responsibility' between the team and the wider membership to get visitors in the room...  We all benefit from growing the groups and at every meeting, members are encouraged to either invite visitors along or, if they do not feel comfortable doing it themselves, to pass the details onto the team who will invite them along on your behalf. 



So, from time to time, members need to ask themselves- 'am I doing enough to ensure that I and my business are benefitting from being at this meeting...' 



Off me soapbox now and back on with the day (or night) job!!! Open Mouthed Smile



 



 


 

 

 

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2012 - 18:53 Quote
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100% is the team that drive the numbers.  I've been to Bournemouth group with 40 odd people there.  Last meeting had 9 including 4 that are doing jobs for 4N...............


 



I'm not even sure it's the team that drives the numbers as with the same teams we have fluctuated from 45 to 15 to 28 and 22 and that's just Norwich. I think there are other issues too.

Norwich alone has over 50 networking groups and yes, that dilutes the membership as often the grass is always greener. Using the passport is not simple in Norfolk either as the minimum between any group is 45 minutes.

So, I don't feel it's entirely due to the team.

 

 

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2012 - 08:31 Quote

Big numbers arent everything to a group

I met a 4N member at an event which had about 10 people (bad weather two years ago) but all of my other regular groups floated around the 30 mark, but this person linked me up with one of their clients, who is still recruiting through me now and has spent about £90k in the last two years on temporary recruitment

Its not the numbers, its the people that do attend, and how you utilise the time you have with them (by not selling mainly!)

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Big numbers arent everything to a group

I met a 4N member at an event which had about 10 people (bad weather two years ago) but all of my other regular groups floated around the 30 mark, but this person linked me up with one of their clients, who is still recruiting through me now and has spent about £90k in the last two years on temporary recruitment

Its not the numbers, its the people that do attend, and how you utilise the time you have with them (by not selling mainly!)

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Posted: 27th Jul 2012 - 16:40 Quote

Smaller meetings can be great, and all meetings will have ups and downs, but you don't want a group where every meeting just barely manages double figures.

Don't know if it's still part of the literature for teams but I've seen in the past it said that every group is 2 weeks away from success or failure, which is bang on - you can't take anything for granted in terms of how well a group is going, and it largely comes back to the teams in that just a little bit more work can make a group rock, whereas a little bit of complacency can send it spiralling.

I've seen groups for from 40 per week to 8 per week; and I've revived struggling groups simply by picking up the phone and spending a couple of hours calling members.

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So what I can make out, and what I have been told.

Are Groups are lead by a team and that 4N would Like the team to have a minumium of 2 new visitors per meet. (members can also bring visitors)

There is another post on here (look back the last few days group name E something) about a group closing  and it was a heated debate but did highlight all the issues Andy Raised.

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On a personal note I deal mainly in domistic customers, so it is hard for me to find vistors, I was told this was not a problem as the MA does that.

I have today started to see if I can get visitors along to the Bedford Morning Meet.

Stefan Thomas, has phoned me going back to the topic, and says it is more to do with visitors, than more groups that leads to numbers dropping.

 

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Posted: 30th Jul 2012 - 19:48 Quote

Susi thanks for that and let hope they rise well.

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