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Simon Thornton
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Posted on 29th Mar 2008 at 07:52

As an online retailer it is important that the spending public finds your site and stay to buy.  Much needs to be taken into consideration for this to happen

A welcoming site which loads quickly and is simple to navigate

Full SEO so that Google will pick up keywords

Mutual links from other related sites

Good Products that people really want/need

Good payment gateways to make it easy to pay

Delivery charges made clear

Make it easy for customers to contact you.  You may be an online store but people like the security of a telephone number to call

Hopefully, between us we should be able to pool all our knowledge and help create more traffic. I'm happy to talk to anyone about adding links or to discuss any of the above topics.

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Posted on 29th Mar 2008 at 20:11

Hi Simon,

Just been browsing myshopontheweb - I'm assuming its largely an affliliate type site where orders are passed onto the original shop owner?

Do you find it hard to get a theme? We have difficulties in keeping our theme clean just be seeing wonderful things we'd like to sell be just won't fit!

Do you manage the payment process as well?

 

 


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Posted on 30th Mar 2008 at 07:37

We work in two ways.  In both cases we take the order and payment from the consumer.

1, we act as an agent for the supplier and charge them a percentage for the service of providing a fully managed shop front and payment facility, This works well for small companies with only a handful of items and saves the high cost of setting up for ecommerce

They would add a link to their site to take customers to their items in myshopontheweb

2, we buy and sell products ourselves to fill in gaps in the range and therefore provide a better shopping experience for the consumer

As for theme, since we are acting as a department store we could have anything in store so a specific theme isn't a problem

 

 


 
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Posted on 21st Apr 2008 at 22:54

So if you take a commission say, how do you currently manage this? and have you had any bad experiences from your business model?


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So if you take a commission say, how do you currently manage this? and have you had any bad experiences from your business model?

Hi,

managing commission is straight forward enough.  Product is sold at an agreed price through the site and bought from the vendor at an agreed (lower) price.  The difference is the commission.

As for bad experiences, not really.  Like with any business you rely on suppliers to deliver, when they dont you have a problem. I've recently changed one.  Also when suppliers change details such as price and don't inform you it can be a little embarassing.  Having said that, the business model does work.

 


 
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Is the agreed price then higher? sounds very interesting, do you then also deliver etc?


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Is the agreed price then higher? sounds very interesting, do you then also deliver etc?

Normally we sell at the same price as you and take a commission from that.  we can show RRP and discounts too (if applicable) as people always like to know how much they may save.

As for delivery, product is drop shipped so would leave from your warehouse.  We collect the money for delivery with the order and typically use Interparcel for bulky items. (post for small)  They will collect from anywhere and deliver to anywhere so it's a great service.   I need to know sizes and weight so the cost is correctly calculated or it can be built in to the unit price and offer Free delivery.

Our payment gateway uses 3D so we can deliver to an address which is different from the card holder

 

 


 
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Posted on 24th May 2008 at 19:56

Hi Simon, thought I'd drop by and join your discussion.  I seem to spend an increasing number of hours per week optimising our sites and writing relevant adverts (we have several of them selling different ranges of interior products) and keeping up to date with the latest changes announced by the different search engines.  We (my very patient husband and I) are in the process of rewriting our main website as we have shifted the emphasis of our main product lines and it seemed a good time to tackle a new version. I spend around 10% of my week on PR and marketing (it could be much less, but I really enjoy this side of my job) with other media; press, television etc. and work on making search engines happy between other tasks at work. I wish there was a magic formula, but then I guess everyone would use it!


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Hi Liz, thanks for your comments. I spend a lot of time on SEO too.  I find it best to do each page as I add them since google ranks each page and not the website. saves a lot of going back later!   Looks like you have an interesting range of products.  I'm creating a new web site called "moodlightmagic".  This will basically just be images of lighting projects my brother and I have done.  It will have links to my shop on the web and earlsmann.  I'm planning to have additional pages and links promoting relevant products for interiors and exteriors.  Your range probably fits the category.  I've got another furniture manufacturer in mind too.  This gets lots of links to relevant sites, which google likes, and should help improve rankings for all.

 


 
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Posted on 14th Jun 2008 at 07:17

Things to consider

SEO, traffic to existing website, Secure certificates, Payment gateways, Merchant bank account, site management, profit on each sale, how many products, product updates, Total cost of setting up the site (not just the shopping cart itself)

 


 
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Posted on 14th Jun 2008 at 08:51

Simon I think another topic here would be handling fraud which will be attempted especially if the site is very popular.  I'll start a new thread for this.


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You're right, the trick is to get the bank to take responsibility for any fraud.  This can be done using 3D secure.  Not used by all cards yet and probably not all gateways.  Protx certainly does


 
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Do you really need an online store?
 
A question many businesses ask themselves, particularly if they have their own website already. Why not try to take an order from people visiting our website?
 
It sounds like a good idea but there are many things that need to be considered when justifying the cost. Searching the internet will come up with many companies offering a store or shopping cart for just a few £s each month but they don’t usually mention all the hidden costs involved.
 
 
Estimating your income
 
It is important to take a realistic view. Simply because you have a shop on line doesn’t automatically mean you will receive lots of orders.
 
First, how much traffic do you get to your website? Is your website working for you? If the answer is “I don’t know” or “very little” then this is the first place to consider for improvement. Adding Website Analytics will monitor traffic for you. If you get, say, 100 new visitors each day you would be doing well to get one order. How long does it take, at that rate to cover your costs? A very simple initial solution may be to have an online order form and invite people to send a cheque or offer to phone back to take credit card details.
 
To increase traffic will require a good deal of Search Engine Optimisation (SEO) and incoming link generation. This can be costly so, unless you’re doing it yourself, a good SEO company needs to be found.
 
Second, How many products do you plan to sell on line and what profit will be made? If you have a whole store of items then your chances of getting an order are increased. If you have low cost products with only a modest profit of perhaps £1 per item it could take many months to recover your initial investment.
 
 
The true cost
 
There are two ways of adding ecommerce to your site; do it yourself or pay a specialist web design company. Unless you are well versed and knowledgeable in websites it could be a very long task to get right so employing a specialist is probably the better solution. Depending on how many products you have this could take from days to weeks of a professional’s time so it is important to pick the right one as time can be costly. Ask about previous sites they have worked on and check the page rankings. It is straight forward for a professional to add a shopping cart and populate the store but have they done the SEO to ensure you are on the front page of search engines?
 
I mentioned populating the store with product. Of course, this is something you can usually do yourself but it is worth confirming you really do have access to do this. However, don’t forget this will also have a cost to you since your time has a value.   In addition to populating your store you will need to manage everything else, process orders and payments. This brings us to the payment gateway.
 
You have more choices here. Use a third party like Paypal or one of the many card gateway companies such as Protx. Both of these have charges per transaction which, depending on volume, can be several percent of the order value. Not all Internet shoppers like using Paypal since you need to set up an account with them. A full payment gateway would normally be the better solution but this has a cost to set up of around £400 and minimum monthly charges. If you need to ship products to an address other than the card holder (gifts, for example) you will probably need to set up the full gateway and check what their fraud prevention is like.
 
In order to process money securely you will need a Secure Certificate which adds another cost starting at around £100. This provides a higher level of encryption making it unlikely card details can be stolen. You will also need a Merchant Bank account (e.g. Streamline) for trading on line. Another cost, this is also around £400 and again has minimum ongoing monthly charges. If you wish to take telephone orders in addition to your online business this requires a second merchant account.
 
To summarise
 
Simply adding up the unavoidable costs you will need to spend a minimum of around £1200-£1400 and, if you get a professional to set you up and do full SEO it will be considerably more. So, whilst it sounds good to be able to sell on line it does have quite serious costs involved. This is definitely the modern way to trade but getting the timing right for your business and having a good grasp of the costs and pitfalls, as well as the benefits, is very important.

 
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