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Posted on 01st Nov 2007 at 23:03
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1291196,.html watch the video
Virtual Perverts Confronted In Online World
Sky's Jason Farrell has already revealed how characters in the virtual world Second Life are enacting rape and child abuse. Now he has found many more secret zones in the community and confronted one of its members. His report contains disturbing images
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Posted on 01st Nov 2007 at 23:23
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Posted on 02nd Nov 2007 at 06:17
Lines definately being blurred.. But then if someone was killed in second life, is that then murder..
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Posted on 02nd Nov 2007 at 07:41
Of course it fucking isn't Brad.
I worked on Second Life, it's a deeply dull, tedious game unless you've no First Life, the geeks that play it are largely harmless geeks living in their parents basements .
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Posted on 03rd Nov 2007 at 05:44
I was on the bus a couple weeks ago when this really creepy dude behind me answered his phone. Being a yank, he was loud and the entire bus caught his end of the conversation. Apparently he was speaking to a friend he hadn't seen in quite some time and they were catching up. For about 2 or 3 minutes, he was talking about his kid and asking questions about the friends life. Totally uninteresting boring blah blah blahzz. I tuned it out.
Until he became even louder, as animation and excitement crept into his voice. I started listening again and he was talking about 2nd life. And how he's some warlord or whatever and he's getting married to a vampiress in the game and how everyone thinks he's rich and famous and etc etc and how this person found his real address because he let some clues slip or something..
Anyway, it really creeped me out. This guy is what a serial killer would look like in your darkest dreams, and there he is talking about how deceived all these people are about him online, and in the same breath talking about ways stalk the person who had stalked him! Criminal shit in any sense of the word, but because people are online they think they can hide easily from prosecution.
And why do they think that?
Because they in fact can hide from prosecution. Your run of the mill parents basement dwelling fuck up can instantaneously become the most cleverest criminal in the world just by doing all the legwork online. There's no apprehension and detection until it's virtually - no pun intended - too late.
Games like this are dull to people who have lives.. but people who have lives aren't the ones out there committing crimes in the first place. We've given the bad guys a very very useful tool, and have ineffective and inadequate ways of protecting ourselves from them. That guy the reporter talked to in the game.. the so-called 'enforcer'. How laughable is he? He barely sounded sober, and how the hell are you supposed to card someone online? What a joke. What a futile existence he lives if that's his 'job'.
I don't know what the solution is.. but I think this is all going a bit too far with 'freedom' and it's pretty depressing that the laws we instilled to protect ourselves (freedom of expression/speech etc), are the very laws that are endangering us.
megahurtz paradox ohnoes..
Happy Holidays everyone :-)
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Posted on 03rd Nov 2007 at 07:36
Cyber vigilantes is where its at.
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Posted on 03rd Nov 2007 at 08:16
None of them as anonymous as they think. Friend of mine is part of the police team that identifies the real dangers amongst people like this. I bet Matt Thomas or Jorge could tell us EXACTLY how easy it is to find out who someone really is from their website activity.
Anyway, I've got a life so I don't need second life. I spend all my time posting on 4N forums! Proper job!
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Posted on 03rd Nov 2007 at 20:46
Whats really worrying is these people are out there with these sort of fantasies, how long before they want to enact them in real life and prey on our children
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Posted on 04th Nov 2007 at 07:33
Sure but acting out fantasies in cyber space may actually prevent them moving into the real world with it.. yes/no
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Posted on 04th Nov 2007 at 07:58
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Sure but acting out fantasies in cyber space may actually prevent them moving into the real world with it.. yes/no
No, the evidence is that the accessibility of child porn and chat rooms etc that allow people to discuss their fantasies actually leads to an increase in their 'appetite' for it and makes it more likely that they will go out and want to take it further in r/l. Also they get in contact with potential accomplices and start to believe that their feelings are justified because of the feedback they get from others who feel the same.
Devil's advocate really cos I am against censorship, but this is a tough one.
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Posted on 04th Nov 2007 at 09:17
i agrree that may be the case with sex, but over the last 25 years or so i've been personally responsible for 10s of thousands of deaths in cyberspace, but i've no incination to take life in the Real world.
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Posted on 04th Nov 2007 at 09:27
But sex is the worry here isn't it? And Charmian's point is right. They do go on to act them out in real life. The internet isn't the problem here, but how much easier is it to access harcore pornography now than it was just ten years ago. And convince yourself that your fantasies are somehow normal.
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Posted on 04th Nov 2007 at 10:49
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Posted on 05th Nov 2007 at 11:00
I want to find the report saying 'they' do go out and do it in real life. I'm presuming this is talking about people that access paedophilia.
Ask yourself this question: no doubt, near or maybe all people convicted of sex offences against children have accessed paedophilia online.
This is obvious, but at the same time does not translate into the statement "all people accessing internet kiddy porn will at some point sexually abuse a child". You *could* say "They are more likely to offend".
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Posted on 05th Nov 2007 at 11:05
Sure but you wouldn't want cat security 2ndlife man baby sitting your kids would you flip.
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