Optimisation or Optimization?

Christopher Slay
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Does it matter?

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I think that like it or not, you need to accommodate both spellings whether you're English or American if this is a service you offer or want to be found in google for.

Many people will never change their settings on their PC to language English and still use American so if they do spell check, they'll assume the 'z' is correct.

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I can just picture you trying your hardest not to put your fist through your monitor every time you have to use the 'color' CSS attribute when coding

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I don't like the Americanisation of our language if I'm honest. I know I'm a pedant and I know for some people it must be better to use American spellings if you're appealing for an international audience.

I'm more of a pedant that you Stef and I would say 'Why should we use Americanisms when speaking to an international audience? It's English we're speaking, so speak English.'

Am with you all the way - I hate the incorrect pronunciation of words such as schedule and as for the MS Word grammar check in English - not enough room for all of its mistakes.

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To introduce a totally new angle to this thread, I would point out that it's irrelevant how you spell 'search engine optimis/zation', as the phrase itself is meaningless in the context in which it is used. It isn't the search engine that is being optimised, as the phrase implies, but rather it's the website. I'm not about to suggest an alternative phrase, as it's a bit late for that, but whoever coined 'SEO' should have paid a bit more attention to basic English!

Well said sir, unless you actually ARE Google, you can't optimise their search engine.

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To introduce a totally new angle to this thread, I would point out that it's irrelevant how you spell 'search engine optimis/zation', as the phrase itself is meaningless in the context in which it is used. It isn't the search engine that is being optimised, as the phrase implies, but rather it's the website. I'm not about to suggest an alternative phrase, as it's a bit late for that, but whoever coined 'SEO' should have paid a bit more attention to basic English!

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I think now that Minute In The Life has been expunged, it's time for a Pedants' Corner forum.

As much as I feel American culture has contributed enormously to ours in the UK, I'm afraid I too cringe when I see and hear 'Americanisms' (especially on things like BBC News from people who really should know better). If you know what's good for you, you won't come up to me and tell me you've "done the math" or talk about "levveraging" something.

I think quite often though these things creep in through the back door - e.g. unless you tell your Microsoft software (Outlook, say) in no uncertain terms that you really don't want your text spellchecked in US English, you'll get 'ize' and soforth automatically substituted in your text without you even being asked! If you spot it, you've then got to go back and manually correct it. Jeepers creepers.

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I'm more of a pedant that you Stef and I would say 'Why should we use Americanisms when speaking to an international audience? It's English we're speaking, so speak English.'

I can just picture you trying your hardest not to put your fist through your monitor every time you have to use the 'color' CSS attribute when coding

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I don't like the Americanisation of our language if I'm honest. I know I'm a pedant and I know for some people it must be better to use American spellings if you're appealing for an international audience.

I'm more of a pedant that you Stef and I would say 'Why should we use Americanisms when speaking to an international audience? It's English we're speaking, so speak English.'

Stefan Thomas
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I don't like the Americanisation of our language if I'm honest. I know I'm a pedant and I know for some people it must be better to use American spellings if you're appealing for an international audience.

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I might just have to open a can of whoop-ass on them.

I do hope that's a recyclable aluminium can

Full of international language worms!

Good question, Stef. In any other context than SEO, I would be going with the '-ise' option on grammatical principles. Once it gets SEO technical, have no idea!

Glasstec Paul
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sure is, buddy

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I might just have to open a can of whoop-ass on them.

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Occasionally, these words as well as Americanisms will creep into the British vernacular. I don't have too much of a problem with it, but the moment someone in England says, "aloo-min-um" I might just have to open a can of whoop-ass on them.

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well if you really are 'doing' SEO, you should allow for all the common types of misspelling too in your keywords.

Restauranteur - restaurateur which is correct, which is typed in most though?

Do you really want to attract customers who can't spell?

Stefan Thomas
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claiming to specialise (or should that be specialize?) in Search Engine Optimization -

You also said the above and yes I do specialise in it!

My point was, which you had already spotted, was that surely someone in the UK should specialise in Search Engine Optimisation. Whether or not you're any good at it wasn't raised.

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claiming to specialise (or should that be specialize?) in Search Engine Optimization -

You also said the above and yes I do specialise in it!

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I'm intrigued by this. I've spotted, thanks to another thread on here, yet another person, from England, claiming to specialise (or should that be specialize?) in Search Engine Optimization - which I would have thought was an American spciality (or specialty). The correct English spelling would be Optimisation, or have I missed something?

Is there a reason why people are adopting the American spelling? If I was searching on Google for somebody who provides that service, I would use the English, not American, spelling?

Do you ever search on Google.co.uk without ticking the UK box? Search for any term with the word optimisation in (except front page for search engine optimisation), so terms like website optimisation, web page optimisation etc.

What does Google do? It offers you the "Do you mean ....optimiZation." Google is an American company and as such thinks we have spelled optimisation wrongly. Many people click that link.

Could you please let me know what optimisation is all about, surely part of it is getting people to your website? So what am I doing wrong?

Eh? If you're getting people to your website and optimisation is what that's about then that's fab. I asked why the incorrect spelling was becoming so popular.

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Or it's a simple case of copy/ paste.

With lines like:
"SEO is short for search engine optimization; it is the art of getting web pages looking good to both search engines and web users." it really isn't a case of "I know my services inside out"

OK, go to Copyscape http://www.copyscape.com put www.drabdesign in there and show me where it has been copied and pasted from? Amazing, Copyscape which in their words "Defending your rights online, Copyscape is the leading provider of services that protect your content against online plagiarism and theft" shows no copies. My website page gets changed often and I first used that term 18 months or so ago.

As for knowing services inside out, where do I state that.

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I'm intrigued by this. I've spotted, thanks to another thread on here, yet another person, from England, claiming to specialise (or should that be specialize?) in Search Engine Optimization - which I would have thought was an American spciality (or specialty). The correct English spelling would be Optimisation, or have I missed something?

Is there a reason why people are adopting the American spelling? If I was searching on Google for somebody who provides that service, I would use the English, not American, spelling?

Do you ever search on Google.co.uk without ticking the UK box? Search for any term with the word optimisation in (except front page for search engine optimisation), so terms like website optimisation, web page optimisation etc.

What does Google do? It offers you the "Do you mean ....optimiZation." Google is an American company and as such thinks we have spelled optimisation wrongly. Many people click that link.

Could you please let me know what optimisation is all about, surely part of it is getting people to your website? So what am I doing wrong?